October 7, 2019

Fighting ageism in fashion with Jacynth Bassett

The week I chatted with Jacynth Bassett founder of The-Bias-Cut.com. We find out why at 26 years old Jacynth is so passionate about fighting ageism in the fashion industry alongside some tips on how to take steps to regain your fashion confidence.

Where did the idea come from Jacynth?

I was at university, studying Law but I realised it wasn't really for me. I wanted to do something that I found I cared about and I'd always loved the fashion industry, not just the clothes but the industry as a whole. I quickly got to thinking about my mum and how we'd go shopping a lot when I was a teenager. She had me at 40 so she was already experiencing ageing quite quickly when I was young. She loves clothes and she was really struggling to find beautiful things that she loved to wear. We'd go into shops and shop assistants would be quite dismissive of her and she would often say 'Oh this isn't for me and then bought me things because she felt she couldn't wear them. It was really from that I gained the inspiration, I wanted to give back her confidence through style and fashion.

During your period of research into how older women felt about fashion what surprised you the most?

I think what surprised me the most was the split view of what I wanted to do. I did a survey and one of the questions was about using women over forty as models of all shapes and sizes, all the people I surveyed were late forties, fifties and about half said they didn't like the idea. That really surprised me but what I realised was a lot of the women comments were based on their own pre-judged biased. It's what they have been used to seeing and then can't imagine what I was thinking of. A website that would really empower women they thought it would be really dowdy and frumpy. After I initially launched the blog a couple of those women then emailed me saying ,'If this is what you meant, I really like this'.

Have you come across that ageist attitude because you are younger in an older category, have peoples attitudes been different towards you?

Not really, I found people have really responded well to that, a lot of people have commented that they really like that I'm younger. Women seem to think I can bring an objective perspective in to it and I'm not just going to choose clothes that I would wear, although I do love all the clothes. I've had the odd patronising person but most people have been very positive and I've been welcomed with open arms. Just because I'm not directly affected by ageism doesn't mean I shouldn't care about it.

What is your age demographic for The-Bias-Cut.com?

Mainly forties to late sixties, but actually we have customers of all ages, because the brands we sell don't specifically target that bracket. The idea is everything is ageless. It's nice that I get so many women sending me messages and photos in the clothes, saying its given them loads of confidence from wearing their outfits.

You must see a difference in women's confidence when they are buying clothes that they feel really good in.

It's really interesting because when it first started people went with really safe options and as the business as gone on those customers have really started to step out of their comfort zone. We have an exceptionally low return rate on line shopping because women are having fun experimenting. When I do events I can guess which pieces they will gravitate towards and it's about saying why don't you try this but in a different colour because a lot of women put themselves in a box about what they can wear.

What about internet shopping for this particular age group, that's another challenge isn't it, to ask them to buy on line with confidence, how have you found that?

Challenging! I do have people that say to me surely that demographic don't buy on line but that's just not true, it's the fastest growing demographic for online shopping. There is still a lack of confidence there, mainly down to previous experience of shopping online where there's been lack of quality and fit, I do events which help show the customers our pieces directly. It's about building a good reputation based on the quality of service.

I like buying online because you have the luxury of having your wardrobe there to try with different shoes, your accessories.

Exactly you can see how it's going to fit in to your wardrobe there. I think you have less buyers remorse too.

Why do you think it is that women in their forties and fifties often lose their fashion confidence, what do you think the industry does wrong?

Well first of all its about the imagery. I think the stats are something like we see between 3000-5000 images a day so the majority of those adverts feature women that are younger. It takes someone with a very thick skin to somehow not be affected by that, even sub-consciously. When you have the likes off Cara Delevingne, whose my age, the face of an anti-ageing product, it's not great!

It's an interesting thing with ageism I've found through different discussions with people. There are people who say they are pro-ageing but they still have a very restricted idea of how we should age.I've had someone say to me that after the age of 50 you shouldn't care about looking sexy.

I don't get that. I've never felt more sexy than in my forties.

A lot of women have said they've been a mother, career orientated and then lost a sense of self and stuck in practical clothes or office wear all the time. Women have told me that want to be stylish again but they don't know how to get back there.

I really like the fact that you use non-model women, of all shapes and sizes who we can all relate to. I hate the term 'real women' because we are all real.

People can just apply to model for us and the number of women applying have really gone up since the beginning. It's really lovely to see that they are confident enough and willing to do that and try something different.

What I also love about you is aside from the-bias-cut.com you are also really proactive within the industry about fighting ageism. Can you tell us a little bit more about the kind of things you have been involved in?

So I started this campaign movement called 'Ageism is never in style' back in 2016.

It started as an online community on facebook, a group where people came together to share their thoughts and ideas. I share what's going on the industry, different articles and people can have their voice heard by leaving comments. It's an interesting thing ageism , because its about choice and I still don't think we're there yet with everyones understanding of that.I write a lot of articles for magazines, forty plus communities and speak at events. In February 2018 I had this eleventh hour brainwave that I wanted to create these 'Ageism is never in style' badges just before fashion week. I thought to myself this is either going to be a really big hit or let's just pretend that never happened, but yeah it took off massively. They're free and people were ordering them in batches to give to there friends and it really sparked off conversations. *these badges are still available to order free https://www.facebook.com/commerce/products/2006883626047089/

What piece of advice could you give to a woman that has that craving to get back to feeling good in their clothes?

The thing I always say to people is just give it a go. If it doesn't work on you can just take it off. I see customers more at our pop up events and I get such a lovely reaction to clothes and then they say but I couldn't wear that. It's not until they try things on and see for themselves and hear other peoples reactions to them. Just try it you might be surprised.

Last three questions I ask every guest

Do you have a favourite song that motivates you?

I do but its so embarrassing!! 'All I do is Win' which is a hiphop rap song by DJ Khaled, don't judge me!

A Favourite book

I'm going to be completely honest with you I don't read a lot of books even though I love them. Wuthering Heights by Emily Bronte and I recently read Amy Poehler's autobiography, Yes Please, which was really interested, I liked how candid and honest she was.

Who Inspires you?

My mum is a big inspiration in my life.

Women like Natalie Massenet with the career she's had inspire me, there are lots of women that inspire by the things they've done.

You can follow Jacynth on Instagram @the_bias_cutcom Facebook @the-bias-cut.com and Twitter @the_Bias_Cutcom and check out www.the-bias-cut.com on line store for lots of fashion inspiration.

To listen to the full interview-

https://anchor.fm/outofthebubble/episodes/Episode-6-Out-Of-The-Bubble-with-Jacynth-Bassett--founder-of-The-bias-cut-com-e2s9ep

In the meantime .....keep being fabulous!

x

September 26, 2019

Olympic Champion to Gladiator, what’s next for Jenny Stoute?

This weeks guest is former athlete and Olympic champion Jenny Stoute. I had the pleasure of watching Jenny walk in a fashion show event which was organised by JDWilliiams in 2018, which celebrated women over 40. The brand teamed up with Woman & Home magazine for a nationwide model competition looking for mister women and Jenny, at 53 was one of the fabulous winners alongside Sue Hammond. I've also found out that Jenny grew up in Bradford so welcome to a fellow West Yorkshire lady. Some might also remember Jenny as Rebel in the Gladiators television programme. We talk about her career journey, how she’s tackling midlife, embracing grey hair, finding love in midlife and a new turn in her career as a model. Jenny has such enthusiasm for life you can't help but feel inspired after talking with her.

Before we talk about the model competition, can you talk about what your job involves working with Stellar athletics.

Stellar Athletics is part of a sports management company which is Stellar group, predominantly football, so they look after quite a number of world class footballers, including Gareth Bale. I run the business alongside John Regis, who is my ex partner and father of my children, we manage athletes, their commercial contracts, put them in races and work to try and make them become world class athletes.

How does that fit in with family life, you have busy teenagers as well, do you have to do a lot of travelling?

Yeah, Do you know it's probably the most hectic thing I've ever done. To be fair John does more of the travelling than I do, I'm office based because of the girls.

To become a world class athlete and Olympic champion you have clearly got to be a very driven and motivated person, so when you retired from the track how difficult was it to make that transition to finding another role that fulfilled you?

When I got injured, back in 1993, after the Olympics, it was a hard shock for me. I was actually offered Gladiators, so I became Rebel for four years, which was a nice crossover for me because it still gave me that kind of buzz and energy. After that I did a bit of stunt work, I did the Russell Crowe Gladiator movie, then I got pregnant at 36 and I was like hang on a minute I was going to be a stunt woman, how did this happen! I didn't have a maternal bone in my body, I was thinking no this isn't for me, I can't be a mother and I went to the gynaecologist and heard this little beep beep, I was like what's that and she said it's the heartbeat then I was sold.

When I had my first child it changed my whole life, Alicia made me not be hungry for athletics. I went on to have my second child at 40 and literally became house and work bound for the kids, it wasn't like a terrible thing, it was something that I knew was the next segment of my life.

After the period when you and John split up, although you still stayed in business together, you effectively became a single mum. Knowing how important exercise is in your life how did you find that time for it?

I'm a little bit of a nerd when to comes to exercise because it's my only release. If I go on holiday it has to have a gym because it's the thing that helps me relax and just be myself. It was difficult fitting in to going to the gym so I literally got a bike and put it at the end of my bed along with mats, dumbbells , kettlebells and just did it in my bedroom. Sometimes when I'm really tired and I roll out of bed and can't be bothered to find a pair of running tights I'll just do it in my onsie.

See we have no excuses now you've said that!

If people could see what I look like in the morning when I'm exercising thy would laugh.

So how did you go from being in the middle of this busy career and job to entering the modelling competition?

I think the thing is, when you've done so much, you know track and field, the Gladiators, then the movie thing and the business, you're doing so much for other people. Doing stufff for the kids, managing athletes, managing expectations, everyone is like take take take so I actually felt like I wanted something for myself. I wanted to do something that gave back to me. I knew I had to do something to change what I was about but I didn't know where to was going to take me. I thought ok, I'm going to let my hair grow grey, put myself in really good shape and use what I'm about to help me in later life but I didn't know what it was. A friend of mine saw the ad and I sat on it for awhile and I just thought I don't know if I can put myself forward for rejection. I'd being reading all these mindset books so I just thought I'm going to go out there and see what happens.

I was amongst some beautiful women and they were all so nice so I just though I'm going to put my best foot forward and see what happens. To have actually won it with Sue is just incredible.

How did you find your decision to embrace your grey hair?

I think it's ownership. When I decided to go grey it was one of the toughest decisions I've ever made in my entire life and I didn't realise how conscious I was about it. Jenny Stoute would get up and get dressed for herself and it didn't matter who looked at me but when I decided to go grey every single person I saw I had a story to tell them about why I was going grey and a friend picked up on it. It dawned on me that if I didn't own who I was and accept myself it didn't matter who you talk to because they are just not going to accept it. As soon as I owned my grey hair and accepted it everyone else loved my grey hair. Confidence speaks volumes, everyone wants to be around someone whose confident.There is no exact way that someone should be.

Lets talking abut dating in midlife? What was your experience of finding love again in your forties?

After John I was in a couple of relationships that didn't really work out so I just said I'm not going to be in a relationship at all, I'm just not interested. I started reading loads of self help books about being positive about yourself and finding what you want for yourself in life. Once I started to like what I was about and stopped looking for someone else to make me happy then life became better for me. The girls in my office put me on Bumble and I said ok I'm going to have one hit and one hit only and I met Ian and I've been with him for a year and 3 months now (interview 2018) and I've met the most incredible human being I've ever met in my life. We have so much in common it's scary.

So in terms of modelling, now you've won the competition, what's next?

Well it's funny, but I've just signed with Models1 model agency so I'm going to be doing this on a serious note which is incredible. One of the things they did say to me, which it thought was exciting, was that the modelling world is changing. The modelling world is turning now to include a lot more diversity, so they are looking for muscles, curvier, older models, disabled models, so many different categories, they are becoming real, closer to every day people.

What piece of advice would you go back and tell your younger self?

It's something I've been thinking about and its about that word selfish. I think the word should be abolished. If I could go back to those early track and field days and listened to my own self belief I think my steps would have been totally different. if I'd have realised it was ok to be in awe of myself and my achievements I think I could have pushed those boundaries a bit further. There shouldn't be sealant there, you should be able to dream.

Last three questions I ask all my guests.

Do you have a favourite song that always motivates you?

Lauren Hill- Miseducated

Inspiring book-

It's called The Vortex by Esther & Jerry Hicks. It's about the laws of attraction.The clarity of what they are saying about life is priceless, in terms of how we see ourselves and why we are here.

Who inspires you?

I'm a great fan of Oprah Winfrey, Maya Angelou and Michelle Obama. But I have a new obsession with Harry and Meghan, It's not about the royalty but the chemistry between the two of them. Those two cats are going to be dynamite.

If you'd like to follow Jenny you can find her on Instagram @gorgeousfifties.

Keep being fabulous!

Rachel x

September 15, 2019

Life as an author with Imogen Clark

This weeks guest

Welcome to this week’s guest, we are here with author Imogen Clark. Imogen’s first novel Postcards from a Stranger reached the top of the Amazon Kindle charts in both the UK and Australia this year and we also happen to have grown up in the same town so I can’t wait to hear how Imogen finds breaking out of the bubble too.

How do you describe yourself to people, are you comfortable now saying you are a full-time author?

Ooh that’s a difficult one to start with. No, I’ve really struggled with that I’ve found it really difficult. I think particularly because I started with self-publishing and I didn’t have anyone behind me saying my book was good. It was only when I got picked up by a publisher because they must think it’s alright as well, so then it was like okay deep breath. I’m getting better, my second book has now been in the best sellers list this week too so I should really be much braver.

It’s that imposter syndrome isn’t it, I’m the same. Sometimes I feel really uncomfortable saying I’m a model, I say it then want to run away and hide in a corner.

Yes absolutely. Or I can say it but then I don’t want anyone to ask me questions about it, so I’ll gloss over it and move on. It’s not that I’m not proud of what I’m doing because I really am, but yes, it’s that imposter syndrome.

I’m really interested in how you got started because your background is in law, you went to university, qualified in Law, raised four children so at what point did you think about going back to university and studying?

It was when my fourth child started school and suddenly thought I’m going to have some time here, I thought about going back to work but I’d taken all this time out of work it was going to be quite difficult to get back in. So, I started writing blog, I was writing a blog about what it was like having four children at home, it was good fun and it released a level of creativity in me that I’d forgotten I had. That led me to do an Open University course on creative writing and then an English degree and by that point I had moved on from just writing my blog to full length novels. I really enjoyed, I’d get to the end of the novel and think well that’s not good enough and start again. I think I wrote 6, Postcards was my 6th and I thought that one actually isn’t that bad, you know that one might be the one.

I think being a lawyer you're taught to think in a very precise way and it knocks the creativity out of you but it’s astounding the number of lawyers that go on to be authors.

The 6 books that you’d started writing, did you show them to anyone?

Imogen laughs out loud at this thought, no I think my mum read one. I think the very first one I let the girls in my book group read and they were very kind and I was terrified obviously. It was interesting, once they forgot it was my book we were discussing we clicked in to talking about the book and I just sat back at listened. The second one I was slightly braver and put it out a chapter at a time but only to a small group of people and then I just kept practising, you have to learn your craft really.

You self-published Postcards from a Stranger, how did you find that process because you were stepping into unknown territory?

Completely. Since the invention of the kindle there’s been this huge breakout of people self- publishing, it used to be called vanity press or books not deemed good enough to be picked up by publishers but that’s all changed now. Once I decided that was the route I was going down I just did courses, learnt how to get an editor, choosing a front cover, marketing, Facebook ads all the things I needed to know and then one day bravely pressed the button.

You quickly gained a great response to the book though.

I did, people started leaving comments and sharing it. I would ask them to leave a review because once you get reviews it’s got some credence and people then take a risk on it, it wasn’t expensive, I think it was £1.99. After it had been out for about 6 weeks, I got an email, it was from an editor from a publishing company and I thought it was a joke. It was from an editor who had read it, liked it and was working for Amazon publishing, Lake Union which is the women’s fiction arm. From that they offered me a 3 book deal. Dream come true stuff. I went from having this little book that I just published myself to being part of this huge machine which is so exciting, and they are a great publisher to be part of. It’s a huge learning curve and I’ve had to ask a lot of stupid questions and I’ve made a few mistakes but I’m learning every day.

At 52 you have found yourself with a whole new career, now dealing with Amazon, having meetings in London. Where we live is quite a small town, it’s the kind of place where people either stay all their lives or leave and then come back when they have a family. That’s one of the reasons I called the podcast ‘Liberte Free to Be’ because we really do live in a bubble here. How did you find stepping out of that bubble?

I’ve gone out of my comfort zone. It’s very exciting and it’s very terrifying. I think it’s helped that all the people have met have been really lovely, mostly women, and they’ve been so supportive and encouraging. I did do 15 years in the corporate world so I can pretend. If I was really out of my comfort zone I could just pretend that I knew what I was doing until I had a better idea. The publicity for my new book 'The Thing About Clare' has got all sorts of things in place like radio interviews and a blog tour, all kinds of things and each of those things makes me do something I’ve never done before but I’m having a ball.

How do you juggle family life with four busy kids, how do you discipline yourself to sit down and write?

It’s really hard. When I was just doing the degree it was something that I was doing for myself to stop myself to stop me from going crazy at home with the kids so I didn’t want it to impeach on my time with them. Now I get up very early, it’s a lot easier when the house is quiet before it all kicks off. I’m not much good in the evenings so they’re a bit of a write off really. Just these last few days I’ve been away because I had to the editing for the third book and I just can’t concentrate enough, so I took myself off. My husband is fantastic, he just steps up and takes over which makes everything so much easier. If this had all happened ten years earlier I’m not sure how we could have made all this happen.

How do you find the inspiration for your books, have you got pages and pages of ideas ready to roll or do you get flashes of inspiration?

I’ve got various ideas some of which may turn into books. Some days I’ll have a great idea then the next I’ll think it’s not so good. One day I was walking to the cinema and between less than half an hour I’d had an idea, had the whole thing delivered to me in less than the time it took me to get there, which is bonkers. I was writing it all down really quickly before the lights went down in the cinema. But most of the time it starts with a question. For instance Postcards is about a mother who is not with her children as they grow up. It came from a really challenging day with my four children when I just thought I could just leave, go to Leeds Bradford and jump on a plane and they wouldn't miss me, which of course isn't true but it got me thinking well what kind of a woman would do that.

How do you deal with critique? You put your books out there and we all know in any line of work you can't please everybody.

I find it really difficult, it was hard enough when it was my friends, you know they said they liked it but are they just being polite? I see the reviews coming up on Amazon and Good Reads and look at them through my fingers trying to work out if I dare look. It's better for my mental health not to read them, not to know what people say. I just look at the average ratings.

What tips would you give to step out of your comfort zone?

I think you just have to be brave. You know we're a long time dead. I really can't bare the idea of regretting anything so what have I got to lose. If it doesn't work it really doesn't matter. You just have to seize the day, it's a bit of a cliche but it's so true.

So what's next?

So next I want another book deal, (which Imogen did go on to achieve a few months after our chat so is busy writing again). I just need to keep learning really and keep writing. I'm really enjoying doing what I'm doing and if it all stopped tomorrow no one can take it away from me.

Final 3 questions I ask all my guests. What book has inspired you?

Playing Big by Tara Mohr

Song/music that's inspired you?

Handels Messiah Chorus

Who inspires you?

J.K Rowling. Obviously because she is a phenomenal writer but it's her resilience, you know she had all those rejections and she just kept going.

If you'd like to follow Imogen you can find her at https://imogenclark.com/

Have you always wanted to write a book, maybe now is the time to get started, what have you got to lose? I'd love to hear from anyone whose taken up writing later in life or has a burning desire to tell their story one day. What would you write if you weren't afraid?

What's Stopping You?

You can also listen to the full podcast https://anchor.fm/outofthebubble/episodes/Episode-4-with-Author-Imogen-Clark-Imogenclarkathome-e2j0hb

September 12, 2019

In conversation with American model Erin Green

I’m hugely excited about this week’s guest. Today we have the beautiful Erin Green, Erin is an American model who aged 42 became the first older model to make it into Cycle 24 of Americas Next Top Model with Tyra Banks. Not only did she make it into the competition, but she made it down to the last six and I was whooping every week you got through Erin, I was so rooting for you.

What made you apply for the competition in the first place? For those that don’t know about the competition it has always been for the younger models and 2018 was the first time the age limit was opened up.

Wow Rachel, it’s been a dream of mine since I was young, well I still am right? ( Erin has an infectious laugh)

But it’s been a dream of mine to become a model and my passion is runway. You know I ended up having kids and I knew at that moment that it was probably going to be put on hold. I still had this passion and I still had this drive so what happened was I didn’t become frustrated or impatient with the process, I said you know what I’m going to do what god instilled in me and what he put in me was this passion and this drive to go after what makes me happy. So I did that and I continued to thrive within the industry regardless of age, or you know ‘she looks too old’ but I just continued to enjoy what I was doing, photoshoots, castings, whether I made it or not I just continued on with the process. All of a sudden Tyra dropped the age limit and it was my opportunity, it was a blessing.

Did you model when you were younger before you had kids?

No I didn’t, I went through a period of bullying all the way up to my high school and it was pretty gruesome however I transitioned out of that and gained my confidence and self-worth and it wasn’t until after I had kids that I found this passion and drive to want to go after it.

How do you juggle family life with 4 kids and homelife now that you’re modelling and travelling all over the place?

Well you know now a days you just have to be superwoman. Our future is female, you are doing things regardless of the circumstances of things that may get in the way, you find a way. You’re doing the day to day chores and taking care of all the responsibilities but at the end of the day you still have to take care of yourself and that was one of things that helped me to get passed trials and tribulations of life, especially with raising a family, that’s what kept me going, making sure I had a dream, I had a passion and I was fulfilled, it was great.

Once you got through to the Americas Next Top Model house, you were the 15th contestant, what was it like?

Laughing Erin told me they gave her a good run for her money. Going into the competition was almost like a vacation for me because I got to get away from day to day life but going into a house with girls that were nearly the same as my own was like ok, I’m back in it again. I thought this is going to be fun for me. They were millennials and it was all about the media gratification and I was like ok let me sit back and enjoy this and embrace it. It was cut throat though, the girls were very competitive and they knew what they wanted and I was there to learn and soak up everything I could so that when I got out of the competition I could use what I’d learnt in the industry.

To walk into that situation, you must have had a lot of self- belief and confidence, have you always been this confident or has it come later in life?

No that came later in life, I was bullied and I didn’t have any confidence or high self-esteem or self- worth. It was the most difficult time of my life and at times I thought about suicide, it was a really tough time for myself. It wasn’t until my junior years when I was running from my bullies over fences and the next day a track coach came up to me and he asked me who I was running from and so I told him. He asked me to join the track team, and at that point it changed my life for the better. What I learnt was that I was fast but the ultimate lesson I learnt was that sometimes the ugliest part of your story become the most beautiful part of your story. Me being fast and a track star got me scholarship, then setting up my foundation One of a Kind, so it really catapulted me into different areas that I couldn’t imagine. It’s sad that I had to go through all that but..

Do you think that’s given you that inner strength now to carry forward into what is a very competitive industry?

Oh yes definitely, I’ve learnt to have tough skin. I’ve learnt that words that used against me shall not prosper and at the end of the day this industry is savage. You have to have tough skin and face rejection, they will let you know right up front that your hips are too big, or you look too old. I have to prove myself all the time to compete with the younger models, Tyra told me that I had to work extra hard just to make it and compete amongst the younger generation. But I have a lot to share with aspiring models out there.

You inspired me. I think the rejection part is much easier to take when you’re older, so I think there’s a real benefit to going into it later in life. I wouldn’t have managed when I was younger with the rejection and critique, I don’t know about you?

Oh yeah, I think the emotional intelligence of the older model is there, I can take it. Having the patience and drive and the timing to wait it out and say hey I’m ready now.

Do you still get scared or do you always walk into everything with loads of confidence?

I do get nervous, but it really goes out the door when they say the camera is on or I’m stepping on to that stage my nerves go away. I think that’s just from being able to take those risks going after my dreams and just taking baby steps. I don't get as nervous anymore but I'm not afraid to fail, that's the biggest thing about it, that's the key thing. I think it's so vital when anyone is trying to overcome their fears or try a new thing, I just feel like you just can't be afraid to fail.

What would you go back and tell your younger self?

Wow, thats's a great question. I would really tell myself that words are very important. In order to conquer self doubt you have to be able to love yourself first and foremost. I think it's very critical that when people hear words that are very critical and negative, harsh and brutal to yourself, it really brings you down in every aspect of your life.I think in order for us to grow as individuals we have to be able to love ourselves first and get over doubts and fear.

What's been the highlight for you so far in your modelling career?

Oh my goodness, I think the travelling and the hosting. I have a couple of new projects that are coming out, that I can't talk reveal but I'm so excited.

You do kill it on the runway.

Yes I'm going to Dubai tomorrow for fashion week, so I'm excited about that. I've been doing a lot of work helping aspiring models, male and female just to go after their dreams. That's the most important thing just to go after our dreams and defy the odds. You and I have been able to defy the odds and it's amazing.

What a lot of British people might not know about is your charity work,

You co- founded, along with your twin sister, Twin of a Kind. Can you tell us a little bit about the project and the work you do?

Twin of a Kind foundation was founded in 2008, our mission is about motivating and encouraging young adults to seek their full potential in life. To be the best versions of themselves. The reason why it was founded was because of our back story, you know us both being bullied, being able to overcome that because of different people in our lives and how we were able to overcome that. When we were young we didn't have any mentors to be able to help us and disypher what bullying looks like, how does it feel and what do you do to overcome and comebat that. We wanted to go out and share with our youth and young adults the different life skills on how to overcome difficult obstacles and challenges. In regards to bullying, or conquering self doubt or just talks about parents not understanding or social media. We have conferences and monthly workshops, work in schools and we put on 8 week courses.

How do you fit this in with model life?

I'm glad you asked that question because modelling has a lot to do with building self esteem, conquering your fears just in regards to your psyche and overcoming those life challenges. We use modelling within our programme because it really just reflects on how an individual is supposed to overcome difficult times, what ever it maybe, you know their self image or body shaming. How to overcome those negative words we tell ourselves, it's almost like a recorder that's being played in your head over and over again, how do you overcome that. You know I have a Masters in Marriage, family therapy and I was therapist for awhile before I got into the modelling industry and I use that background to help those kids overcome the vicious cycle of what we tell ourselves every single day and what we need to do to reach ourselves to turn it in to positive words.

What changes would you like to see in the fashion industry?

With the older models, I really think that we are the market, our age demographic are the ones that are buying the products so why not have us out there representing that. I'm all about the classic model, you know what ever age, what ever height, everyone should be represented here, slowly but surely we can start to see a change. I just want to see more of it.

Do you feel under pressure in L.A to keep looking young?

Oh yeah, definitely. I think social media, the television and our peers play a huge role. The pressure to look good, look young, look vibrant and I think it's really taken away from who we are supposed to be as individuals.

So what's next for you?

I am going to Dubai tomorrow for fashion week but I do have a great project, a convention that I'm putting together and I think aspiring models are going to love it but I just can't put it out yet! It's going to be 6-12 week tour so lots to look forward to.

Wow, thats going to keep you busy in 2019. So my final three questions I ask all my guests. What's your favourite song that motivates you?

Not only did Erin chose This Girls on Fire by Alicia Keys but she also blasted out the first line too, happy to report she has a great voice to add to her list of talents.

A book that inspires you?

The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman, it's how to express your heart felt commitment to your loved ones. I read it during my Masters studies. People just really need to know how to communicate and interact with one another, this world would be such a great place if they did.

Who inspires you?

I would like to say Michelle Obama, she really just exemplifies, strength, courage, leadership, kindness, love and compassion. You know our future is female and she inspires us to become the best versions of ourselves. She really puts me in the mindset that we all have to do that little bit more, we all have to get out there and be extra in order to help one another and be kind. I look up to her.

It was a pleasure to talk with Erin, especially as I admit my guilty pleasure is watching ANTM so I was already a huge fan but she's just another shining example of women over 40 who are getting out there and embracing life and following her dreams. Erins slogan is "living a purposeful life" and she certainly seems to be doing so.

What's stopping you?

Full podcast interview available at https://anchor.fm/outofthebubble/episodes/Episode-3-with-American-model-Erin-Green-itseringreen-e2ilrb

November 21, 2018

Out Of The Bubble podcast with Jo Moseley (HealthyHappy50)

Episode 1 of Out Of The Bubble podcast is out and I got to talk to the inspiring Jo Moseley otherwise known on social media as HealthyHappy50. Here are some of the best bits!

I've known Jo for about 12 years, our children went to the same primary school together and then we both went through similar lifestyle changes, also known as divorce. I've been quietly watching and admiring the work Jo has been doing and her journey. She has grown and changed over the years and I have full on admiration on how she has transformed her life and what she has achieved so far, although I have a feeling she has only just getting started.

How do you describe yourself?

I still describe myself as a mum first and foremost and as a single mum that will always be my biggest thing. I have a very normal day job. I'm developing an interest in adventure, little adventures, environmental aspects and all the things about wellness and well-being around being outside and doing fun little adventures.

You say 'little adventures' but some of the things that you've done to date I wouldn't class as little. Can you tell everyone what your first challenge was and how you got started.

The first challenge was probably the biggest. In 2013 my mum died of Lymphoma, four days before Christmas and I decided to do something in her memory. The only real sport I did at the time was indoor rowing so I rode a million metres and a marathon, which basically means rowing 10,000 metres every other night for 8 months. We raised just over £10,000 for the MacMillan charity.It was a great way to honour her memory and it was great for me to help work through the grief and turn it in to something positive. So I started with something big and now I do lots of little adventures, wild swimming, paddle boarding, running, picking up litter and surfing.

How did you start indoor rowing in the first place?

A few months before I had been crying in the supermarket, with my sons when I just had one of those moments when I put my bags down and said I just cant do this anymore.I wasn't sleeping, I was really stressed, mum and dad were going through chemo, a friend lent me a rowing machine which really started to help me sleep and it started from there.

So most people might do a challenge and then think okay I've done it, that's fantastic and then go have a cup of tea and put their feet up. You didn't do that did you?

No I think I realised how much better I felt, I was 48 and i think some of the crying wasn't just life overwhelming but it was the early stages of the menopause but I didn't realise it.  I never asked my mum about the menopause, it just wasn't talked about. The symptoms were creeping up on me without me knowing so I did some research and realised these symptoms, crying, aching joints, not sleeping, feeling more anxious were symptoms of the menopause.I realised exercise had really helped me feel better and it would be silly of me not to continue.These self care routines to get me through the day became more enjoyable so once I was swimming, running and eventually paddle boarding they were activities that were so much fun, why wouldn't I want to do these things on a daily basis.

How did you get involved in the This Girl Can, Sport of England campaign?

The first time was after completing the Great North Swim and I took a picture with these really huge goggles on and they had this thing where you could upload an image and choose a slogan , one of the slogans was 'Damn right I look hot'. So there is me a 50 year old woman with massive goggles and a yellow cap and they saw it and chose me, I did a little bit of radio interviews and they were just broadening it out to fifty year old's and moving way from focusing on younger women.

The second time recently I wrote to them and told them my story thinking they wouldn't necessarily be interested but it was more about me being brave. I had this idea that if I wrote to people , the more I got no's the less it would worry me and they said yes.They put it out there and so many women said thank you for sharing the tough times and being so honest, I realised the more honest I was about the crying and difficult times and being injured the more normal I was, the more relatable I was the more It inspired people.

Were you sporty when you were younger?

When I was little up to secondary school age I was doing all the things i'm doing now, I didn't think they were sporty , I was called a tomboy, now I would have been called a sporty girl.I would be out climbing trees, throw myself in to the sea, try and skateboard, ride my bike. I've got a picture of me on my Chopper looking cool in my Bay City Roller tartan trousers but then when I got to school it was all very formal and that just turned me off.I loved gymnastics, doing headstands and cartwheels but school stuff just turned me off. From my late twenties to my late forties I did just about nothing, maybe one 5k walk and I did the Moonwalk when my marriage was collapsing.So its always been in me but for many years it was dormant.

So after all these challenges you've now discovered this real passion for paddle boarding , is that your main love?

I think I love all of them, I love anything to do with the water.Paddle boarding is easy in the sense that I live near a reservoir so I can do it in my everyday, whereas surfing and body boarding I have to go to the sea.

One of the things I don't think you realise is the impact your social media posts have on other people, I see your posts out running, picking up litter being outdoors it makes me want to get out and do something.I think social media for the over 40's is a really inspiring place. How do you find social media?

I love Twitter because everyone was so supportive, it's quite quick and you can learn lots of news things about conferences and events. Instagram is very pretty and very supportive and kind. You can curate a really kind environment and I've made loads of friends that I've actually met. You can't make friends over night but this is a different group of friends built upon shared goals and dreams and that brings them alive. I've not met anyone that I've then gone away and thought I'm so glad I met.

I would say it takes a lot of confidence to get out there and meet new people, have you always had that confidence or has it come with everything you've been doing?

I think I've had it and lost it. I think babies, marriages, miscarriages, divorce, grief, they dampen who you are, it's just a case of excavating through all those difficult situations and revealing who you probably are. I am more in my fifties like I was aged 9 or10 than I have ever been.I'm totally cool with the idea that I'm uncool. I'll never be the one who walks in to a room and they'll think wow she's so glamorous, they'll probably think when did she brush her hair but I'm cool with that just as I was when I was at nine or ten without the angst of teenage years. There's a real liberation now. I think your thirties and forties are really difficult because you are establishing who you are and there's a lot of keeping upness which if I was back there again I would say don't even try, follow your own thing. Don't worry about what everyone else is doing, it's just not relevant to your life and I still have to say that to myself sometimes.

Do you still get scared when you are doing new things? How do you over come it?

God, yeah.

I think i've learnt you only have to be brave enough to do the next thing, you don't have to climb the mountain just take the next step. You've just got to believe in yourself and see what happens. I'm going to give it everything I've got but not necessarily attach it to the outcome.

You've got quite involved in litter picking, plogging and environmental issues. Can you tell us more about it?

I have always loved the sea, my dissertation was about the environment back in the 1980's, I've been more aware of the problems with plastic and like most people watched David Attenborough. It's just been a rediscovery of something that I was interested in when I was younger. At the beginning of the year I decided to do a litter pick or beach clean every day and post pictures and see if anyone else would join in. The first thing I got invited to talk about what I was doing was at a running festival, it was just one of those relationships that I had built on Twitter. It always amazes me that people are watching you from a distance without you realising in a good way and thinking she's quite consistent about the subject, then someone comes along and says would you like to be involved in this, I never imagined it. It's interesting because at the beginning of the year I had written a list of crazy goals for the year,when I looked back a lot of them had come true, even if from a slightly different angle.

Do you think you've found your purpose other than being a mum and a daughter?

Yes massively. In fact I see the link between the environment and well-being is the link I want to share with people. Particularly at our age there is so much about our own well being, going through the menopause, the mental changes and there are so many things that we can do with a purpose to help bring everything together. So much of the environmental and adventure world is dominated by younger people and I just want to say look actually we have a contribution and we can have these little adventures that can be hugely enjoyable.

What's your current challenge and what's next?

I am running a 1000km this year, so I'm currently on about 750km. I'm thinking of doing a longer run next, possibly picking litter. Maybe there is one big thing in me when my boys have left, we'll see!

What song motivates you?

This Is Me from The Greatest Showmen by Keala Settle

What book inspired you?

Playing Big by Tara Mohr or anything written by Brene Brown

Who inspires you?

Taryn Brumfitt, founder of the Body Image Movement

Since speaking with Jo in 2018 she has gone on to write a best selling book- Stand-up Paddleboarding in Great Britain.

You can follow Jo over on Instagram and Twitter @healthyhappy50 or on her website www.healthyhappy50.com

To listen to the audible podcast please click on the podcast link -

I'll be back in two weeks when I talk with Zoe McNulty from School Of Strut.

In the meantime...keep being fabulous x

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